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Yoma 55b:6-56b:1

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לֵית לֵיהּ כְּתִיבָה. דִּתְנַן, רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: לֹא הָיָה שָׁם אֶלָּא כַּן אֶחָד בִּלְבַד. תְּרֵי מַאי טַעְמָא לָא — מִשּׁוּם דְּמִחַלְּפִי. וְנַעֲבֵיד תְּרֵי וְלִיכְתּוֹב עֲלַיְיהוּ הֵי דְפַר וְהֵי דְשָׂעִיר. אֶלָּא, לְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה לֵית לֵיהּ כְּתִיבָה.,מֵיתִיבִי: שְׁלֹשׁ עֶשְׂרֵה שׁוֹפָרוֹת הָיוּ בְּמִקְדָּשׁ, וְהָיָה כָּתוּב עֲלֵיהֶן: תִּקְלִין חַדְתִּין, וְתִקְלִין עַתִּיקִין, וְקִינִּין, וְגוֹזְלֵי עוֹלָה, וְעֵצִים, וּלְבוֹנָה, וְזָהָב לְכַפּוֹרֶת, וְשִׁשָּׁה לִנְדָבָה.,תִּקְלִין חַדְתִּין — אֵלּוּ שְׁקָלִים שֶׁל כׇּל שָׁנָה וְשָׁנָה, תִּקְלִין עַתִּיקִין — מִי שֶׁלֹּא שָׁקַל אֶשְׁתָּקַד, יִשְׁקוֹל לְשָׁנָה הַבָּאָה. קִינִּין — הֵן תּוֹרִין, גּוֹזְלֵי עוֹלָה — הֵן בְּנֵי יוֹנָה, וְכוּלָּן עוֹלוֹת, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי יְהוּדָה.,כִּי אֲתָא רַב דִּימִי, אֲמַר: אָמְרִי בְּמַעְרְבָא, גְּזֵירָה מִשּׁוּם חַטָּאת שֶׁמֵּתוּ בְּעָלֶיהָ. וּמִי חָיְישִׁינַן? וְהָתְנַן: הַשּׁוֹלֵחַ חַטָּאתוֹ מִמְּדִינַת הַיָּם — מַקְרִיבִין אוֹתָהּ בְּחֶזְקַת שֶׁהוּא קַיָּים!,אֶלָּא: מִשּׁוּם חַטָּאת שֶׁמֵּתוּ בְּעָלֶיהָ וַדַּאי. וְנִבְרוֹר אַרְבָּעָה זוּזֵי וְנִשְׁדֵּי בְּמַיָּא, וְהָנָךְ נִישְׁתְּרוֹ? רַבִּי יְהוּדָה לֵית לֵיהּ בְּרֵירָה.,מְנָא לַן? אִילֵּימָא מֵהָא דִּתְנַן: הַלּוֹקֵחַ יַיִן מִבֵּין הַכּוּתִיִּים, עֶרֶב שַׁבָּת עִם חֲשֵׁכָה — עוֹמֵד וְאוֹמֵר: שְׁנֵי לוּגִּין שֶׁאֲנִי עָתִיד לְהַפְרִישׁ הֲרֵי הֵן תְּרוּמָה. עֲשָׂרָה מַעֲשֵׂר רִאשׁוֹן, תִּשְׁעָה מַעֲשֵׂר שֵׁנִי, וּמֵיחֵל וְשׁוֹתֶה מִיָּד. דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי מֵאִיר. רַבִּי יְהוּדָה וְרַבִּי יוֹסֵי וְרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן אוֹסְרִין. אַלְמָא אֵין בְּרֵירָה.,מִמַּאי? דִּילְמָא שָׁאנֵי הָתָם כִּדְקָתָנֵי טַעְמָא, אָמְרוּ לוֹ לְרַבִּי מֵאִיר: אִי אַתָּה מוֹדֶה שֶׁמָּא יִבָּקַע הַנּוֹד וְנִמְצָא שׁוֹתֶה טְבָלִים לְמַפְרֵעַ? וְאָמַר לָהֶם: לִכְשֶׁיִּבָּקַע.,אֶלָּא, מִדְּתָנֵי אַיּוֹ. דְּתָנֵי אַיּוֹ, רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: אֵין אָדָם מַתְנֶה עַל שְׁנֵי דְבָרִים כְּאֶחָד.,אֶלָּא: אִם בָּא חָכָם לַמִּזְרָח — עֵירוּבוֹ לַמִּזְרָח. לַמַּעֲרָב — עֵירוּבוֹ לַמַּעֲרָב. אֲבָל לְכָאן וּלְכָאן — לָא.,וְהָוֵינַן בַּהּ: מַאי שְׁנָא לְכָאן וּלְכָאן דְּלָא, דְּאֵין בְּרֵירָה.,לְמִזְרָח וּמַעֲרָב נָמֵי אֵין בְּרֵירָה?,וְאָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: כְּשֶׁכְּבָר בָּא חָכָם.,וְהַשְׁתָּא דְּאָמְרִינַן לְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה אֵין בְּרֵירָה, הָא כְּתִיבָה אִית לֵיהּ! יוֹם הַכִּפּוּרִים נָמֵי, נַעֲבֵיד תְּרֵי וְנִכְתּוֹב עֲלַיְיהוּ!,מִשּׁוּם חוּלְשָׁא דְּכֹהֵן גָּדוֹל לָאו אַדַּעְתֵּיהּ. דְּאִי לָא תֵּימָא הָכִי, בְּלָא כְּתִיבָה נָמֵי, הַאי נְפִישׁ וְהַאי זוּטַר.,וְכִי תֵּימָא לָא מְקַבֵּיל לֵיהּ כּוּלֵּיהּ, וְהָאָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה: הַשּׁוֹחֵט צָרִיךְ שֶׁיְּקַבֵּל אֶת כׇּל דָּמוֹ שֶׁל פַּר, שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר: ״וְאֵת כׇּל דַּם הַפָּר יִשְׁפּוֹךְ אֶל יְסוֹד הַמִּזְבֵּחַ״.,וְכִי תֵּימָא: דִּילְמָא מִשְׁתְּפִיךְ מִינֵּיהּ — הַאי חִיוָּר וְהַאי סוּמָּק. אֶלָּא, מִשּׁוּם חוּלְשָׁא דְּכֹהֵן גָּדוֹל לָאו אַדַּעְתֵּיהּ. הָכָא נָמֵי, מִשּׁוּם חוּלְשָׁא דְּכֹהֵן גָּדוֹל לָאו אַדַּעְתֵּיהּ.,הָהוּא דִּנְחֵית קַמֵּיהּ דְּרָבָא, אֲמַר: יָצָא וְהִנִּיחוֹ עַל כַּן שֵׁנִי שֶׁבַּהֵיכָל, נָטַל דַּם הַפָּר, וְהִנִּיחַ דַּם הַשָּׂעִיר.,אֲמַר לֵיהּ: חֲדָא כְּרַבָּנַן וַחֲדָא כְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה?! אֵימָא: הִנִּיחַ דַּם הַשָּׂעִיר, וְנָטַל דַּם הַפָּר.,וְהִזָּה מִמֶּנּוּ עַל הַפָּרוֹכֶת כְּנֶגֶד אָרוֹן מִבַּחוּץ. תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: ״וְכֵן יַעֲשֶׂה לְאֹהֶל מוֹעֵד״, מָה תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר? כְּשֵׁם שֶׁמַּזֶּה לִפְנַי לְפָנִים — כָּךְ מַזֶּה בַּהֵיכָל.,מָה לִפְנַי לִפְנִים, אַחַת לְמַעְלָה וְשֶׁבַע לְמַטָּה מִדַּם הַפָּר — כָּךְ מַזֶּה בַּהֵיכָל. וּכְשֵׁם שֶׁלִּפְנַי לִפְנִים, אַחַת לְמַעְלָה וְשֶׁבַע לְמַטָּה מִדַּם הַשָּׂעִיר — כָּךְ מַזֶּה בַּהֵיכָל. ״הַשּׁוֹכֵן אִתָּם בְּתוֹךְ טוּמְאֹתָם״, אֲפִילּוּ בִּשְׁעַת שֶׁהֵן טְמֵאִים — שְׁכִינָה עִמָּהֶם.,אֲמַר לֵיהּ הָהוּא צַדּוּקִי לְרַבִּי חֲנִינָא:

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does not accept that one may rely on writing in a situation where an error is possible. As we learned in the mishna that Rabbi Yehuda says: There was only one pedestal in the Temple on which to place the blood. What is the reason that they did not place two pedestals there? The reason is because the pedestals might be exchanged for one another, and he might take the goat’s blood instead of that of the bull. But in that case, let us place two pedestals and write on them which one is for the bull and which is for the goat. Rather, it is clear that Rabbi Yehuda does not accept that one may rely on writing in a situation where error is possible.,The Gemara raises an objection against this conclusion: There were thirteen collection horns in the Temple, and they were each inscribed with different names. On one container was written: New shekels. In this horn they placed shekels that were donated at the correct time that year. And on another horn the phrase old shekels was written, referring to coins from the past year that did not reach the Temple during the allotted period. On the other horns, the following phrases were written: Nests, for obligatory offerings consisting of pairs of pigeons or turtledoves; young birds for burnt-offerings; wood, for anyone who wished to donate wood; frankincense; and gold for the Ark cover. And there were six additional boxes designated for communal free-will offerings of all kinds.,The Gemara explains: New shekels, these are the shekels of each and every year that arrive on time; old shekels, these are for one who did not donate a shekel the previous year, who must donate the next year; nests, these are the turtledoves brought as offerings; young birds for burnt-offerings, these are pigeons; and all these birds are burnt-offerings; this is the statement of Rabbi Yehuda. Rabbi Yehuda maintains that there was no container for nests of obligatory sin-offerings and burnt-offerings, due to the potential mixture between the two. In any case, this shows that Rabbi Yehuda does rely on inscriptions written on containers, which contradicts the above claim that he does not rely on writing in these situations.,When Rav Dimi came from Eretz Yisrael to Babylonia he said: They say in the West, Eretz Yisrael, that this is a rabbinic decree due to the possible presence in the mixture of a sin-offering whose owners have died. Since a sin-offering of this kind must be left to die, if one of the donors of the coins in the sin-offering horn passes away, his funds cannot be used. The Gemara asks: And are we concerned about the possible death of a donor? But didn’t we learn in a mishna: With regard to one who sends his sin-offering from overseas, they sacrifice it for him on the presumption that he is alive, although he might have died in the meantime. This shows that the possibility of death is not taken into account.,Rather, Rabbi Yehuda’s concern is due to a sin-offering whose owner has certainly died, lest it be confirmed that one of the people who donated money for a sin-offering bird has indeed died. The Gemara asks: Even so, this can be rectified, as let us select four zuz, the price of such an offering, and throw them into the water to be destroyed. It may be said that the money removed from the box was the money for the sin-offering whose owner died, and these other coins will be permitted. It will be clarified retroactively that these coins were designated for that purpose. The Gemara answers: Rabbi Yehuda does not accept the rule of retroactive clarification. In his opinion, one cannot issue a designation after the fact. Consequently, he rejects this solution.,The Gemara asks: From where do we derive that this is indeed Rabbi Yehuda’s opinion? If we say it is derived from that which we learned in the following mishna, there is a difficulty. The mishna states: With regard to one who buys wine from among the Samaritans, who do not tithe their produce properly, on Shabbat eve at nightfall and has no time to separate the tithe before Shabbat and to place the separated portions in distinct locations, he may arise and say: Two log of the one hundred log present here, which I will separate in the future, after Shabbat, shall be the teruma gedola given to a priest, as the Sages mandated that one-fiftieth of one’s produce constitutes an average measure of teruma; ten log that I will later separate shall be the first tithe; and another tenth from the rest, which equals nine log of the remaining ninety, shall be second tithe. And he redeems the second tithe with money that he will later take to Jerusalem, and he may then immediately drink the wine. After Shabbat, when he removes portions from the mixture and places them in vessels, they are retroactively designated as terumot and tithes. This is the statement of Rabbi Meir. Rabbi Yehuda, Rabbi Yosei, and Rabbi Shimon prohibit this practice. Apparently, Rabbi Yehuda maintains that there is no retroactive clarification.,The Gemara explains the difficulty: From where do you reach this conclusion? Perhaps it is different there, as the reason is taught: The Rabbis said to Rabbi Meir: Do you not concede that the jug might split open before he removes the portions of terumot and tithes from the mixture, causing all the wine to spill out? And he will then be found drinking untithed wine retroactively. Therefore, he cannot rely on separation that has not yet occurred. And he said to them: Although there will be a problem if it splits open, there is no cause to be concerned for this contingency in advance. Since this reasoning is based on the possibility that the jug might break, there is no proof from here that Rabbi Yehuda rejects the principle of retroactive clarification.,Rather, the proof that Rabbi Yehuda does not accept the principle of retroactive clarification is from a baraita the Sage Ayo taught. As Ayo taught that Rabbi Yehuda says: A person cannot stipulate conditions about two matters at once, e. g., one cannot establish a joining of Shabbat boundaries [eiruv] in each of two different directions on Friday afternoon while making the following stipulation: If tomorrow, on Shabbat, two Sages arrive from two different directions, I will decide then which of the two lecturers I prefer to hear at that point in time, which will determine which eiruv is in effect.,Rather, he may say that if the Sage comes to the east, his eiruv is to the east, and if the Sage comes to the west, his eiruv is to the west. However, he may not say that if one Sage comes from here, and another Sage comes from there, he will go wherever he wishes, in either direction.,And we discussed this passage in the Gemara and asked: What is different about a case in which one stipulated that if Sages came from here and from there that he may go to whichever side he chooses, such that his eiruv is not effective? Apparently, Rabbi Yehuda maintains that there is no retroactive clarification, i.e., this person cannot claim after the fact that the place where he walked is designated as the place that he initially intended for his eiruv.,However, according to this principle, when an individual establishes an eiruv to the east and to the west for the anticipated arrival of a single Sage, one should also invoke the principle that there is no retroactive clarification. Why does Rabbi Yehuda agree that if one anticipates the arrival of a single Sage and stipulates that if he comes to the east his eiruv will be to the east, the eiruv is valid?,And Rabbi Yoḥanan said: This is not a true case of retroactive clarification, as the Sage had already come by twilight, but the one who established the eiruv did not yet know at which side of the town the Sage had arrived. Therefore, at the time the eiruv establishes his Shabbat residence, it is clear which eiruv he wants, although he himself will become aware of that only later. In this case, Rabbi Yehuda agrees that the eiruv is valid, but he nonetheless maintains in general that there is no retroactive clarification. This accounts for Rabbi Yehuda’s opinion that there was no container for nests of obligatory sin-offerings and burnt-offerings, as he maintains that there is no solution for the possible mixture of the different coins.,The Gemara asks: And now that we have said and proven that according to Rabbi Yehuda there is no retroactive clarification, nevertheless he is of the opinion that one may rely on writing, as proven from the halakha of the collection horns. If so, on Yom Kippur as well, let us place two pedestals and write on them which one is for the blood of the bull and which is for the blood of the goat.,The Gemara answers: The reason they did not place two pedestals with writing on them is due to the High Priest’s weakness. Since he is fasting during the entire day’s service, the writing will not be on his mind; he will pay no attention to it and might become confused. As, if you do not say so, that there is concern for the High Priest’s weakness, even without writing he should also not err, as this bowl in which he collects the bull’s blood is relatively large and this one for the goat’s blood is small.,And if you say that he does not collect all the bull’s blood but only some of it, so that the bowls are of equal size, didn’t Rav Yehuda say: One who slaughters the bull must receive all of the blood of the bull, as it is stated: “And all the blood of the bull he shall pour out on the base of the altar” (Leviticus 4:7).,And if you say that perhaps some of the bull’s blood might spill, yielding equal amounts of blood, there should still be no mistake, as this blood, that of the goat, is white and bright compared to the blood of the bull, and this blood of the bull is red and darker than the other. Rather, the reason must be that due to the High Priest’s weakness, these differences will not be on his mind. Here, too, the writing will not help, as due to the High Priest’s weakness the inscriptions will not be on his mind.,§ The Gemara relates: A certain person descended to lead the prayer service on Yom Kippur before Rava. He included the order of the High Priest’s Yom Kippur service in his prayer, and he recited: The High Priest then emerged from the Holy of Holies and placed the bowl on the second golden pedestal in the Sanctuary; he took the blood of the bull from the pedestal and placed the blood of the goat in its place.,Rava said to him: This is problematic, as one statement is in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis, and the other one is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda. According to the Rabbis, each of these bowls sat on its own pedestal in the Sanctuary, whereas Rabbi Yehuda maintains that the High Priest must first lift up the container with the blood of the bull and then put down that of the goat. Rather, you should recite the entire order of the service entirely in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis: He placed the blood of the goat on its designated pedestal and took the blood of the bull from the second stand.,§ The mishna taught: And the High Priest sprinkled from the blood of the bull on the curtain opposite the Ark from outside the Holy of Holies. The Sages taught: “And he shall make atonement for the sacred place because of the impurities of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions, even all their sins; and so shall he do for the Tent of Meeting that dwells with them in the midst of their impurity” (Leviticus 16:16). What is the meaning when the verse states this? Just as he sprinkles in the innermost sanctum, the Holy of Holies, so he sprinkles in the Sanctuary, the Tent of Meeting, toward the curtain.,Furthermore: Just as in the innermost sanctum he sprinkles once upward and seven times downward from the blood of the bull, so he sprinkles in the Sanctuary. And just as in the innermost sanctum he sprinkles once upward and seven times downward from the blood of the goat, so he sprinkles in the Sanctuary. The last part of the verse: “That dwells with them in the midst of their impurity,” teaches that even when the Jewish people are impure, the Divine Presence is with them.,With regard to this verse, the Gemara relates: A certain Sadducee said to Rabbi Ḥanina:

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Yoma 55b:6-56b:1

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